dx10 compactible card

Im planning to get a new graphics card soon ... anyone has an idee of when the first DX10 graphics cards will be available?

I imagine after DirectX 10 is released... but there's not much news about DX10 really :o(
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Im planning to get a new graphics card soon ... anyone has an idee of when the first DX10 graphics cards will be available?

Any highend card purchased from nVidia or ATI today should be DX 10 compliant. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Deborggraeve Randy" wrote in message

Im planning to get a new graphics card soon ... anyone has an idee of when the first DX10 graphics cards will be available?

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] ha scritto:

Any highend card purchased from nVidia or ATI today should be DX 10 compliant.

There is NO DX10 compliant card today. They are "compatible" the same way a old GeForce ti4200 is compatible with DX9, but they won't support any of the new DX10 features, such as shader model 4, geometric shaders and so on. The first DX10 compliant chipsets will be Ati R600 and Nvidia G80, both expected after this summer.
p.bes

Don't really need the shader 4 at the moment, just wanna be able to do hardware rendering on DX10
"paolo besser" wrote in message

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] ha scritto:
Any highend card purchased from nVidia or ATI today should be DX 10 compliant.
There is NO DX10 compliant card today. They are "compatible" the same way a old GeForce ti4200 is compatible with DX9, but they won't support any of the new DX10 features, such as shader model 4, geometric shaders and so on. The first DX10 compliant chipsets will be Ati R600 and Nvidia G80, both expected after this summer.
p.bes

Deborggraeve Randy ha scritto:

Don't really need the shader 4 at the moment, just wanna be able to do hardware rendering on DX10

You'll be fine with every decent SM2 card. Radeon 9500 and above, GeFroce 6200 and above. You shuld be ok also with GeForce FX series, but I won't suggest 'em anyway.
p.bes

Don't think those card can do hardware rendering using DX10
Currently using Radeon 9550 and not able to do hardware rendering. I asked before in the DX Beta newsgroups how to do hardware rendering and the answer was simple:
U cant, non of the current harware will ever be able to do it.
"paolo besser" wrote in message

Deborggraeve Randy ha scritto:
Don't really need the shader 4 at the moment, just wanna be able to do hardware rendering on DX10
You'll be fine with every decent SM2 card. Radeon 9500 and above, GeFroce 6200 and above. You shuld be ok also with GeForce FX series, but I won't suggest 'em anyway.
p.bes

You will be able to do hardware rendering of DX10 with any moddern card, you just won't have the newer hardware accelerated features of enhanced shaders and whatever else DX10 expands upon.
saying no acceleration is just wrong, you just won't have hardware acceleration of DX10 specifics. A perfect example is all of those people with DX6 or 8 cards running DX9 games but just not as fast as those with a DX9 specific card.
"Deborggraeve Randy" wrote in message

Don't think those card can do hardware rendering using DX10
Currently using Radeon 9550 and not able to do hardware rendering. I asked before in the DX Beta newsgroups how to do hardware rendering and the answer was simple:
U cant, non of the current harware will ever be able to do it.
"paolo besser" wrote in message Deborggraeve Randy ha scritto:
Don't really need the shader 4 at the moment, just wanna be able to do hardware rendering on DX10
You'll be fine with every decent SM2 card. Radeon 9500 and above, GeFroce 6200 and above. You shuld be ok also with GeForce FX series, but I won't suggest 'em anyway.
p.bes

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:40:36 -0400, "Beta Groups" wrote:

You will be able to do hardware rendering of DX10 with any moddern card, you just won't have the newer hardware accelerated features of enhanced shaders and whatever else DX10 expands upon.
saying no acceleration is just wrong, you just won't have hardware acceleration of DX10 specifics. A perfect example is all of those people with DX6 or 8 cards running DX9 games but just not as fast as those with a DX9 specific card.

What a load of crap. If a game requires a DX9 card, it won't run on a lesser card. The same will be the case for DX10. -- Andrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.

Hello!
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On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:40:36 -0400, "Beta Groups" byronm(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
You will be able to do hardware rendering of DX10 with any moddern card, you just won't have the newer hardware accelerated features of enhanced shaders and whatever else DX10 expands upon.
saying no acceleration is just wrong, you just won't have hardware acceleration of DX10 specifics. A perfect example is all of those people with DX6 or 8 cards running DX9 games but just not as fast as those with a DX9 specific card.
What a load of crap. If a game requires a DX9 card, it won't run on a lesser card. The same will be the case for DX10.

"DX9 Compliant" or "DX 9 Support" ;) http://www.neatware.com/player/review.html#platform

DirectX 9 Complaint means that all the key functions of DirectX 9 will work especially the Shader Model 2.0. DirectX 9 Support is defined as most functions of DirectX 9 will work as hardware acceleration but some advanced functions such as Shader Model 2.0 may not work. Others are Non-DirectX 9 Support.
Windows 95, NT are Non-DirectX 9 Support. Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, 2003 can be DirectX 9 Support or DirectX 9 Compliant which is dependent on the video card or chipset.
Intel's GMA 900+ graphics in its chipset 915G and 925G is DirectX 9 Complaint. However Intel's Extreme Graphics 2 in its chipset 865G and 875G are only DirectX 9 Support.
ATI Radeon 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, and X800 are DirectX 9 Complaint. The notebook with ATI's M10 is DirectX 9 Complaint. But the ATI 9200 is only DirectX 9 Support.
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200, 5600, 5800, and 6000 are DirectX 9 Complaint. NVIDIA's iForce for AMD64 is DirectX 9 Complaint. In addition, GeForce 6800 supports Shader Model 3.0.
The XGI video cards are DirectX 9 Complaint.
Via and SiS video cards may be DirectX 9 Support or DirectX 9 Complaint

Cheers, Roman

Great info roman.
One thing that made me laugh though, you kept using the word complaint instead of compliant. Thanks for the chuckle it cheered up my day!
"roman modic" wrote:

Hello!
"Andrew" wrote in message On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:40:36 -0400, "Beta Groups" byronm(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
You will be able to do hardware rendering of DX10 with any moddern card, you just won't have the newer hardware accelerated features of enhanced shaders and whatever else DX10 expands upon.
saying no acceleration is just wrong, you just won't have hardware acceleration of DX10 specifics. A perfect example is all of those people with DX6 or 8 cards running DX9 games but just not as fast as those with a DX9 specific card.
What a load of crap. If a game requires a DX9 card, it won't run on a lesser card. The same will be the case for DX10.
"DX9 Compliant" or "DX 9 Support" ;) http://www.neatware.com/player/review.html#platform

DirectX 9 Complaint means that all the key functions of DirectX 9 will work especially the Shader Model 2.0. DirectX 9 Support is defined as most functions of DirectX 9 will work as hardware acceleration but some advanced functions such as Shader Model 2.0 may not work. Others are Non-DirectX 9 Support.
Windows 95, NT are Non-DirectX 9 Support. Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP, 2003 can be DirectX 9 Support or DirectX 9 Compliant which is dependent on the video card or chipset.
Intel's GMA 900+ graphics in its chipset 915G and 925G is DirectX 9 Complaint. However Intel's Extreme Graphics 2 in its chipset 865G and 875G are only DirectX 9 Support.
ATI Radeon 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, and X800 are DirectX 9 Complaint. The notebook with ATI's M10 is DirectX 9 Complaint. But the ATI 9200 is only DirectX 9 Support.
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200, 5600, 5800, and 6000 are DirectX 9 Complaint. NVIDIA's iForce for AMD64 is DirectX 9 Complaint. In addition, GeForce 6800 supports Shader Model 3.0.
The XGI video cards are DirectX 9 Complaint.
Via and SiS video cards may be DirectX 9 Support or DirectX 9 Complaint

Cheers, Roman